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So Padma Gordon is a psycho-spiritual counselor who assists people in creating movement in their lives, movement of all kinds. She engages clients through her mindfulness, movement, hypnosis, and various somatic practices, so that they can find freedom in their bodies, in their hearts, and minds, and live a deeply fulfilling life. That’s wonderful. I know from having worked with Padma for several months as she creates amazing breakthroughs for her clients. She was just telling me about one of those earlier today.
I’m just really happy to have her here, and have her be the conversation leader here. Hi, Padma. Thanks for agreeing to do this.
Padma: Great. Hi, George. Thanks for inviting me to participate. I’m happy to be here.
George: Yes. I’m just going to kind of turn it over to you. Any questions, however you want to start this topic of getting things done from whatever perspective interests you. As you know, I can talk on any of these things. So happy to go wherever you want to go.
George: I also should say that I want you to interrupt me anytime with questions or insights, anything you like.
Padma: Okay. Thank you. I think that most interesting or inspiring piece about this question of getting things done in a present and grounded way is what are some of your keys. Because something that I really appreciate about you is your ability to break things down into kind of bite size pieces. So if you want to lay out a few of those, I would love to hear them.
Padma: I’m sure them too.
George: Yes. Absolutely. I was thinking about what I would share here in this little session. There’s a couple of things I’d be happy to talk about. One is mindset or I might even say heart set. Sort of the mental, emotional environment we bring into our day-to-day work. Another piece of it that we could talk about is the sort of more logistical.
You and I have talked about this before, but the whole idea of temporal and physical placeholders.
Padma: Yes. That’s a great piece. Very fair, and really we’ll eliminate that more so like.
George: Yes. So maybe what I’ll do is I’ll start with the mindset-heart set piece?
George: As I share mine, I would love to hear what works for you and what you are seeing what works for your clients too. But I think where I start with all this is the idea that we live in a friendly universe. I think it was Albert Einstein, and those of you who know this quote can correct me if I’m wrong here. I think it was he who said, “The most important decision you’ll make in your life is to decide whether this is a friendly or hostile universe.” Again, I may be taking the quote over context.
So those of you, who know the quote, please comment, chat, and let me know. What I interpret from that is, which a lot of people do, believe that the world is hostile that there are people who are going to hurt them that bad things will happen to them. It could definitely ruin their day, but it could even ruin their life, or it could ruin the life of someone they love. They’re on edge, and kind of looking out for dangers all the time. By the way, this is kind of how we evolve this … homo sapiens is we evolved out of the savannah where we were looking for tigers.
Padma: We did.
George: We were always … we hear a branch crack somewhere. We’re like, “Okay. What was that? Was that a predator?” It was better for our survival, for our brains to adapt noticing a hostile universe …
George: … than a friendly universe.
Padma: Right. It was essential to be in that fight-or-flight mode in order to evolve as a species, and survive.
George: Yes. Fight or flight, exactly right. But thankfully, most of us live in a primarily friendly society now. We don’t have to be afraid for our lives most of the time. Gosh, even airplanes are safer. If I understand airplanes going on a flight is safer than even being in a car.
Thankfully, being in a car is 99.9% of the time safe. Walking down the street, thankfully, is very safe. So most of the time, things are really safe now, but we still are dealing with the evolution of our brains being more aware of hostility than remembering all the good things, and the things that are working right, and the things that are going well. But even beyond our evolution, I feel like there is a, I might say, philosophical or spiritual piece to this that I’ll bring in.
I always remind everyone who listens to the podcast that you are loved and cared for by invisible forces that are far more powerful than you can ever imagine. My personal belief, and I believe that for all of you, that the destiny of your soul and the trajectory of your consciousness is ever toward more bliss, more understanding, more awareness of love, of truly the foundation of the universe on a metaphysical and spiritual basis is based on love.
Padma: Yes. So I just want to pause you right here because I think this is a really important piece. As you started, as you shifted from speaking about evolution and fight-or-flight and you started speaking about it, I heard your voice drop an octave. Also, I felt, and I’ll just reflect what happened when you started saying, “Oh. It’s essentially safe, and you’re loved, and you’re cared for.” Actually, my whole system exhaled, and dropped in deeper. I feel like that’s a really important piece because that is where you’re coming from when approaching your highest work.
That something inside you settles and drops in. So you’re present and available, and then there’s this incredibly like you said you’re tapped into the whole dimensionality and all these levels of metaphysics in the universe because your intelligence is open. You’re not contracted and afraid and wondering what’s going to happen around the bend. I hear a branch and I’m going to be dead. It’s like, “Oh. Actually, my system is relaxed.”
There’s more availability to intelligence and responsiveness and seeing what’s needed. You’re able to do it with your whole system at least.
George: It sounded beautiful
Padma: Thank you.
George: So you’re bringing in the somatic perspective to this. Actually, I want to ask you then. I want to ask you if you had a client who was feeling most of the time anxious and they might not even know they’re anxious, but you can tell that they’re anxious and fearful. What’s one piece that you would share with them that would help them to be more present grounded and loving?
Padma: That’s a great question. I do have experience working with people who are anxious or fearful because I think most of us in this world walk around at times with a certain level of anxiety or fear. It’s just part of the human condition. But, one thing just to really start with the basics is bring the person into their body like right now as I’m sitting here in my chair. I’m just feeling where my back is resting against the chair, and where I’m supported from underneath.
Once you get that consciousness of being connected in your body because the body is an ally. The body is a very grounding resource. Once I’m in my body, like you said just as we got into areas that we need to take a few breaths.
Padma: So it’s like, “Oh. I’m going to take a few breaths in a limited space. And then if there is some kind of fear and contraction, it’s much more evident. We can just pause and be with it. Not judge it or run from it or try to fix it, and just be with it. Then, we can move through.”
George: Yes. It’s beautiful.
Padma: It should come from openness.
George: Yes. I love that. I know I’m going to keep learning from you, Padma, about the somatic. I feel like a lot of my practices start kind of start with the head, start with ideas. I think it goes both ways, right? Ideas can lead to an openness in the body and vice versa, of course, openness in the body can lead to more openness in ideas.
So just to kind of complete that philosophical piece of a friendly universe, I also think that the universe – therefore, because it’s friendly and because the ultimate destiny and trajectory of our soul and consciousness is toward the good, and also the ultimate destiny I should say is that you are indestructible. Your consciousness, of course, your body, all our bodies are indestructible, this body anyway. Your consciousness, your awareness is indestructible. Those of you who have been following this podcast, you’ve heard my interview with Stafford Betty. Go check that out. We are indestructible, and our consciousness is.
So knowing that, and knowing that our trajectory’s toward the good, and toward being basically smarter and more loving, the universe is calling us to experiment. It is not about the results of each day or each project, but the universe is saying, “You know what? The results sometimes it’s going to be amazing, and sometimes it’s going to be what you might consider to be a failure or neutral. The real result is your growth over time, and it’s really hard to see your growth over time until you look back.” So the universe is saying, “We just want you to experiment with whatever is calling to you, whatever project you feel really passionate about, or another task you really need to do, but just experiment.”
Bring a spirit of playful experimentation to anything that you do because you remember that it’s all good. That it’s all us.
Padma: Yes, with a spirit of play, with a spirit of curiosity.
George: Yes. Yes. Curiosity. Right.
Padma: It’s so useful. I love your invitation, George, to just try it, and also that sometimes you’ll get a great response, and sometimes you’ll feel like, “Wow. That kind of landed with a thud.” You also mentioned a word that I really love, which is to be neutral. So it’s this neutrality that allows us to just show up and do stuff.
Like it doesn’t have to be perfect, and we just take an action. We put it out there. We don’t get stuck. We appreciate when it gets a great response. Life just cheers, and gives us thumbs up, and likes our post or whatever it is.
It feels really good not to get stuck there. Same way, not to get stuck with “Wow. That one didn’t go over it.” So it wasn’t such a big splash. But not to get stuck anywhere and just to receive it, “Oh. Receive the good. Yes. This is awesome.
Okay. Receive my failure. Oh. This doesn’t feel so good. Okay. Keep moving, so that we’re continuing to move and just show up and do something.” Make an offering. Do a piece of writing. Take a mundane action. Take a creative action. So I feel like it’s part of the movement process that comes from being open.
Padma: In that openness, we can keep taking action. Anywhere, we can clamp down on “Yes. I’m so good.” Or “No. I’m not good.” It’s the same, so then in this close-handedness, nothing can flow. What I hear you talking about is line up with your own creative flow and the flow of life itself, the flow of the universe that wants us that’s kind of pulling us toward our highest good or our highest work.
George: Oh, that’s beautiful. Wow. I love that.
George: I’m seeing the word movement in a new way from what you just said. I love that you said, “The clamping of the hands and the analogy of us.” Even when we get a good result, it’s easy to get stuck there that could result in thinking, “All right. I’m good now, so my next thing must be as good.”
Padma: Or better.
George: Or better. It always has to … we have this illusion that our results always have to keep going up and up and … Hopefully if we have a good strategy, the result will, over time in a very big trajectory, it’s generally up. But, there’s a lot of this up and down throughout our growth. Hopefully, we can remember that whatever the result is, to find the real result is in celebrating the efforts that we put in.
George: To celebrate the effort, we will say, “Okay. It’s about the effort. So I’m proud that I wrote that.” That means if I’m going to do more good, it’s about writing more, or it’s about speaking more, or it’s about making another offering to this client or to my audience or whatever it is. So I love that you said movement. Yes. Don’t get stuck.
Padma: Yes. Awesome. Then, just as you’re saying that, it’s like, “In order to take another step, you have to land in what you did.” Actually, I wrote something the other day. As I finished it, I just went, ‘Yes.’” Then, I went on to my next thing, but I gave myself that feedback and that credit.
So when I receive that, I go, “Great. I did it.” There’s this process, especially in building a business. If you’re hung over yourself and your life that you actually give yourself that, “Oh. Yes. You’re doing a good job.” We all need to hear that, right?
George: That’s right.
Padma: So that we can keep going, and also so that we can ride the waves that go up and down. Then, there’s space for, “All right. That one wasn’t so amazing. Okay. Keep going.” That’s like feel it, and then keep going.
George: Yes. Actually, you were the one who brought up that idea when we were brainstorming this episode. You were the one who brought up the idea of grounded. So I’d love to hear any thoughts you have about what does it mean to be grounded even as you are in movement and in flow? So these two ideas can sound like they’re opposites, but somehow you’ve been able to integrate that into your own practice.
Padma: Yes. That’s a really awesome question. Yes. Well, one piece that helps with that is being anchored in the movement of your breath. So you’re anchored. It gives your attention a place to rest, and yet the breath until it’s done is always moving. So you say anchored in the movement of your breath or I mean there are so many different possibilities.
But what I feel like and what I often suggest to people that I work with is just really pausing. I know you work with that yourself. Like just having pauses into presence. We do need to use our analytical creative mind, but not to just be working from up here. That’s what I mean.
Being grounded, it’s like, “Okay. So my mind is going, and I’m having these great thoughts and all these stuff.” And then, “Oh, right. I’m still here.” The expression is occurring in the field of presence.
That it’s happening and you’re present, so stay around it in the present moment. Because often times, we get … you can hear it. If we start talking really fast, I’m really not in myself. I have to work to stay in myself. So one thing I’m doing right now, and you could use this maybe if you’re doing some kind of public speaking or just relating to somebody, I’m actually sensing my vocal chords vibrate inside my throat. Right?
Padma: I’m hearing my own voice, and I’m hearing your voice. I don’t have to speak in a hypnotic trance voice, but I’m just doing it staying with, “Oh. This is what I’m … I’m in myself.” Because then whatever you’re offering, you’re offering from a place of being grounded and connected to your self, and also as you mentioned to awareness, to consciousness that is incorruptible. That doesn’t come and go.
So it’s like having in a way this like when I “in” and when I “out”. So I’m not leaving myself as I’m with you and as I’m with a larger audience, all of you who are here with us.
George: Wow. That’s beautiful. I’ve actually never heard that idea, that tip before about feeling your vocal chords. I’m doing that now. I’m feeling my vocal chords.
George: It’s interesting. It is making me feel more mindful, and I almost want to stop and listen to the vocal chords and feel it. It’s interesting because I think that when I am inspired and speaking from some kind of a higher insight, I find myself witnessing myself do it. I think that I’m going to bring this new practice of witnessing the vocal chords, and seeing how that allows my speaking to be more grounded and more powerful and resonant, I think, with people. Right?
Padma: Yes. So I’m just curious. How does it feel because I can hear and see you doing it right now?
George: Yes. I’m going to practice it, and I’ll let you know because right now I think I’m probably paying too much attention to it.
Padma: Well, that’s a good point because there’s this kind of telescoping in to say this point of the vocal chords.
Padma: And then, telescoping out to the larger context of our conversation.
George: Right. Exactly. Yes, like the witnessing. So the other piece you were mentioning that you really liked was the fiscal temporal placeholders? Yes?
Padma: Yes. Those pieces are the pieces that you share with me have been very useful. I’m still working on implementing them steadily.
Padma: So I just wanted to … just give an invitation to everything when you hear what George is doing, you’re doing so many things, just be kind to yourself and recognize that the implementation is incremental. It really happens over time to stabilize in the practice itself.
George: Yes. Thank you.
George: I often forget to remind the audience that it is a step-by-step process. Yes. So thank you for saying that because sometimes people will hear my process, and they go, “Well, that’s impossible. How can I possibly do that?” I forget sometimes to say, “Well, you don’t do this now. You don’t do this by tomorrow.
You do this in a matter of months, sometimes years.” My own process has taken me … I’ll tell you. I mean I actually really feel like I got into this whole idea of temporal physical placeholders when I read the book, “Getting Things Done.” I mean part of the name of this episode. The book is “Getting Things Done” by David Allen.
I read that in 2006. That was nine years ago. When I read the book, I implemented it faithfully. I mean just follow it step-by-step for at least three years. I was really following the book like a productivity bible of sorts.
Padma: Yes. Well done.
George: Yes. Yes. After the three years of doing that, I started to be able to really customize it dramatically to my own energy and philosophy and process. It’s kind of like I always say kind of martial arts, “Imagine the Aikido master didn’t start out with such amazing rules. The Aikido master started out practicing the very basic moves.” The moves that looks so basic. Some pan gesture, or some movement of the body that’s so basic.
After practicing that for a long time, she starts to be able to use that gesture so naturally in more advanced moves, or to use that gesture in a sparring match without thinking about that gesture. I felt like I’ve been practicing these basic moves. I guess I’ll say, and Padma you can reflect back to me as I say this whether you think it’s a basic move or a more advanced move.
Padma: And also, I just want to say that you make it look easy. The master is what they say is … Once you’ve done something for 10,000 hours, you’ve mastered it. Then, it looks so easy because you’ve done it for 10,000 hours.
George: Yes. Right. Right. So, okay, so let’s get into this idea of the temporal physical placeholder. So I’ve kind of started using this idea because I was talking with a client who was feeling that he was … he had to work all the time. I know I felt that way too. Like, “I should be working all the time on my business because my business is not in the place where I want it, so I should be building it whenever I have free time.” When he’s working on his business, he didn’t know what he should be working on.
I have 10 projects I can work on to improve my business. Which one should it be right now? I don’t know. So this feeling of overwhelm came over him, and this feeling of anxiety that he’s not doing the right thing. So I came up with this terminology of placeholders to say, “Okay. Everything you want to get done, you can get done. Of course, you can’t do them all at the same time.”
So here comes the idea of temporal placeholders, which is imagine you have five projects in your business. I will say what five projects are that are good for most businesses, especially for those who are watching, listening to this. First project, I would say is enrollment. So getting enough clients in your business. That could involve regeneration.
That could involve doing some kind of follow up with people who are prospective clients that could be having prospective client conversations. That could be going to networking events. Lots of things we can do. That could be creating a webinar that gives people a sense of your work, and then making an offer at the end.
So enrollment is kind of a one-nature project that I think most of us need to put a temporal placeholder in the business. The second major project is service development or client experience. I’ll say service development. What I mean there is developing your programs, your products, your services, so creating a package for your services. Another part of this whole service development is the client experience.
Are you looking at how you are improving your engagement with your clients in a way that makes them happy or makes them delighted? Think about the different ways your client experiences you like through your phone call with your client, through your e-mails with your clients, through the exercises you’re giving them, through the worksheets you’re giving them. Try to see how can I improve these things, so that my client has better experience? Developing your service whether it’s your existing service or you’re developing a new service. So that’s service development. That’s the second major project.
The third major project is visibility. I would say free content. Now those of you who know how I work, I believe that the more free content you can give in the world, on social media, on your blog, on podcasts, on YouTube, however you give free content, whatever floats your boat. You need to be continually creating and sharing it. I would say just take a pause here.
Now Padma, you do such a good job of sharing free content on your Facebook profile. Everyone who’s watching and listening to this, you should go to Padma’s – Really, I mean among my clients right now, she probably has one of the most successful Facebook presences. So check out facebook.com/padmagordon, P-A-D-M-A-G-O-R-D-O-N, facebook.com/padmagordon. Really, go there. Watch how she’s doing it. She’s doing really well.
So all of us have a way of creating visibility. All of us, whether you love to write, whether you love to take pictures, whether you love to speak, whether it’s on a video or just via the audio like through a tele-seminar, tele-class, or a podcast, basically it’s text, video, and audio. If you love taking photos, that’s another way of doing it.
Padma: Could I just pause you on one thing?
George: Yes. Sure.
Padma: Also, with like putting yourself out there, visibility, I just want to encourage everyone to just sit down if it’s writing, whichever medium you want to express yourself in. Even if you have nothing to say, the simple act of having this temporal placeholder and actually just sitting down and saying, “Okay. Just seeing creating the space, actually invites your wisdom to flow through. So that’s really my experience. I feel like it engages you in the creative process, and also helps you to clarify what you know, what you know and your ability to express.
George: Yes. Yes. Yes. It’s sort of like you’re practicing your voice.
George: Getting more authentic with your voice. Yes. So I guess I should really say what a temporal placeholder is like. Really …
Padma: Yes. If you say that, it’d be great.
George: Yes. So a temporal placeholder is for example, let’s say you have five major projects. I’m kind of going through what those five are, but imagine that you are working on your business five days a week. Now some of you are working on your business full time, some of you are working on a very part-time basis. Even if you’re doing part time, imagine you could spend 30 minutes on your business, Monday through Friday. If it’s five days a week and you have five projects, you can now imagine what I’m about to say is that “What if you took one project per day? What if on Monday’s you worked on your enrollment?”
So maybe in a half hour you have on Mondays, you say, “Okay. It’s Monday, and I’m working on my business right now for half an hour. Mondays are for enrollment. What can I do to move forward, make some progress in my enrollment?” Even if you’re thinking, “Well, first, hopefully having that temporal placeholder of Monday’s are for enrollment will calm some of that overwhelm that “What should I be working on?” Well, I’m working on enrollment.
Padma: Right. Also, that you’re just working on it on Monday for half an hour. So it’s not like a huge thing. It’s a bit-size piece, and I’m going to focus my attention on this way …
Padma: … on Mondays for half an hour. It really makes sense. As we speak about it, I feel like, “Oh. My system settles down.” It makes it much more accessible, whereas just having a million projects flying around is it’s very dreamy. I think also part of what I appreciate about you, George, is I feel like you work really, really smart, like really efficiently, and intelligently.
So I feel like you’re giving us with these temporal placeholders, you’re giving us a key to really working intelligently. There’s a kind of a grace, and an ease, and a calm that then can pervade your life because you’re not at all scrambly about what you want to do.
George: Yes. Great. Yes. That’s a really good benefit of it is there’s more calm. There’s more groundedness in the way we do things. So let’s say you were at that half hour on Monday and you know that Monday is enrollment day for you. Well, what should you be doing during that time?
So the question that I would ask if I were in that situation would be “What do I already know will help move my enrollment forward?” Because often times, we don’t trust ourselves because we’re like, “Well, there’s so much I can learn still about what is perfect for enrollment.” But chances are, very high right now, chances are you already know some things that you know are good to do for getting your clients. If you only did them on a consistent basis, you would get smarter about enrollment. The truth is as you take action, the landscape changes.
It’s kind of like, as you walk along a journey, the landscape changes. So you don’t have to know what’s 200 miles away. You just need to know what can you see ahead. Okay. I need to go from this to that hill over there. That’s what I know.
I don’t need to know what’s behind the hill. So I’m just going to walk the hill. Because once I walk the hill, I might realize that “Oh. Here at the bottom of the hill, I didn’t know that there was a stream over here that I want to go to instead. So I’m going to change my direction now to go to that stream because that looks a lot more interesting.”
Padma: Right. What I’m hearing you say also is you take the next step. You have your direction and you take a step. So having the Monday half an hour temporal placeholder gives you “Okay. This is my next step. This is what I’m going to do.” I also hear you talking about trusting yourself.
Padma: Just doing what you know to do.
Padma: So that all really feeds your system relaxing. And with something in my experience that’s really amazing is that you do one thing. You’re making this podcast. We’re here. We’re having fun. We’re having conversations podcast.
Padma: You do not know how life is going to respond to this podcast.
Padma: It’s not a direct cause and effect thing either. It’s that you might do the podcast, and then in six months, you get a call from somebody somewhere that heard about you through a friend who heard the podcast on when it was recorded. You never know.
George: That’s right.
Padma: One of the main things that mattered that what you’re saying is half a circle of placeholders is just consistent action on consistent days, and trust the process. You don’t know that there’s going to be a stream.
George: That’s right.
Padma: You don’t know that there’s going to be a huge field of flowers.
George: Right. Right. Yes. Now that’s great. I love it. Thank you for saying that. That’s a really good piece.
Okay. So that’s one way to do a temporal placeholder is to say I have five projects. I should quickly finish what those five are. So one was Lead Generation and Enrollment. Second one was Service Development or Client Experience. Third one is Visibility or Content.
The fourth one I would say is Self-Care Habits. So for me, that’s making sure of my schedule. Allows me to get enough sleep. It’s also making sure that I have breaks between meetings. Sometimes people forget to do that. They just schedule meetings back-to-back without a break. So they’re out of breath.
George: So I allow myself at least 15 minutes before another meeting, so that I can lay on the floor for a little bit. Do some breathing into the floor, and get a drink of water. We forget to get enough hydration sometimes.
George: So self-care habits is another temporal placeholder. You might say what you really mean by it’s like a Thursday is a self-care habit day. Well, not necessarily. I mean you could. You could say, “I actually do …”
I do this on a weekend day, on a Sunday. Say, “Okay. On a Sunday, I will look at my habits, my self-care habits.” Just spend 15 minutes to look at, “Can I improve something about my self-care routine?”
Padma: That’s so great.
George: It’s interesting just to have a day where you can take 15 minutes.
Padma: Yes. I love that invitation because then you’re self-reflecting and you’re looking for what’s working.
Padma: And, how can I improve?
George: Right. Exactly. Just so you all know, I mean what I actually do is I have two days a week that is free content or visibility. One of the days is creating a free course I’m working. I’m always working on creating or improving some free training that I have.
The other days is what I call free help day, which is that’s when I have time that day, I would be answering e-mails from people who are not clients. So helping people for free or answering posts in Our Highest Work Facebook group, or something like that. So that’s what I do. But the fifth one, just to round out the five kind of most of us should think about is Admin or Maintenance. So it’s looking at … I mean all of us have different admin things.
So some of you might say, “Well, am I following up on the people I said I’d follow up on?” That could be cleaning your desk. Making sure your desk is clear, which brings us real quick and I know we’re almost out of time in just a few minutes, physical placeholders. Chances are you probably have some surface in your business or home where you put stuff because you don’t want to forget about dealing with it. So it might be like a bill. You put it here, so you don’t forget to pay it.
Or it might be a piece of mail that you say, “Okay. I don’t want to open it right now, but it’s got to be opened at some point.” Or it’s some book that you’re wanting to read, but it’s just been sitting there for two months. Right? So what happens is these surfaces start to accumulate things that you haven’t made a decision on. You haven’t put away.
So what I invite you, a very simple physical placeholder, is to create a corner of your office or a closet somewhere, a corner of a closet, and label that corner of the closet “To Decide” or “Important, but – Possibly Important, but not Urgent.” “To Decide.” Maybe another corner is “Decide on this ASAP.” The key is to put them out of sight. You might think, “Well, George. Isn’t that out of sight, out of mind?”
No. Once you put all of your clutter somewhere in two piles – Important but not Urgent, and Maybe Urgent, Maybe Important – then you put a temporal placeholder. Guess what? That’s what the admin placeholder can be.
George: When it comes to the admin time, to say, “All right. Admin, the first I got to do during my admin time is to look at, sort through my piles to see if there’s anything truly urgent and important.” But that way, you’re not – and maybe you can speak to this a little bit – training your energy by seeing these things all the time.
Padma: Absolutely. I mean I feel like it is really dreaming.
Padma: It keeps away from your ability to be present because on a subtle level, maybe on a subconscious level, you’re thinking, “Oh. I really need to get to that.” Or, “I have a response to that thing.” Or, like you said, “ I really want to read that book. I have to contact that PR person, or whatever it is.”
It’s suddenly – It’s like these threads. So that all of a sudden, your attention instead of being focused has all these little tendrils going out in all these directions. What I like to do, and PS I’m still working on this. I’m in the process with this, is to be able to focus and to have clear space. So I think this is a really radical and such a simple invitation that you’re making that has profound effects.
I know on the level just of feng shui and the flow of energy. You want to have a clear space to work in, kind of opening your mind. Sometimes if you’re thinking about something we know, okay, just download it. Or, if you’re thinking about something you’re perseverating, just let yourself ramble for two minutes, so that you have that thought in your mind, so you actually be focused.
George: Wow. That’s really good. Actually, you brought up a good question about we’ve talked about physical clutter, what about mental clutter? It’s like I have this idea, what do I do now? Sometimes, a lot of people have post-it clutters. They have a lot of tiny little notes all over the place.
So the way you apply the placeholder idea is if you have an idea, ask yourself. Okay. Let’s say you have an idea about your business. “Oh. I should contact that PR person.” Then, ask yourself, “Which of these five projects, which of the five temporal placeholders does it fit into?” So while I contact the PR person, “Oh. That’s actually about … Well, maybe it’s about visibility. Maybe it’s about enrollment.”
Just make a decision. Let’s say it’s about visibility. All right. Fine. Then, put on a list. You should have a list. The software I use, which is available on the computer or on the mobile phone, is called Wunderlist, W-U-N-D-E-R-L-I-S-T. It’s free.
Wunderlist, the amazing thing is it works on lists. So I have got, guess what? Five lists for my business. So when I have contact PR person item, I put it on the visibility list. Then, now I can forget about it because then when it comes time for the temporal placeholder, maybe Tuesday is visibility day or whatever.
Okay. Tuesdays, all right, here I am working on this visibility. I look at my visibility list in my Wunderlist and go, “Oh. Whatever it is, I can do these 10 things or these 50 things.” But I can just kind of glance at them and say – it’s okay, by the way, if you have a bunch of stuff on the list to just kind of glance from the list and see which one calls out to you because you have an intuition as for importance, or maybe sometimes it’s urgency. You know what? So I feel like I’ve said enough about those things. We should probably wrap up the episode, or is there anything else?
Padma: It’s so great. As you kind of eliminated all of this in such a clear and cohesive way, what I realized is that all of these placeholders, all types of placeholders create a structure. There are various structures. Whenever you have a structure, then energy can flow through these structures. The universe likes clarity.
So it’s like, “Okay. Fast forward ways to go.” So as you create these structures, you give yourself places for your own energy to flow and to invite universal energy to flow in your own structure of yourself, of your body, and your breadth. You can do that in a present and grounded way.
George: Yes. Beautiful. Beautiful. Wow. So I always try to remember to ask my guests the question. Our podcast is called Our Highest Work, and there are as many definitions of what Our Highest Work is as the people who define it. So Padma, do you want to share with us, just from your heart, from your mind, what would you say is your highest work at this time?
Padma: It’s such a beautiful question. Well, My highest work is to bring people into themselves. So I’m thinking really fall in love with themselves, and then love with life. In that, engage with life dynamically, creatively caught with kindness and compassion. So that’s really my highest work, and it can look very practical. It can look very subtle, a full range of things that can occur.
George: Oh. That’s great. I love it. So if people want to follow up with you, Padma, they want to check out your work, how should the people do it?
Padma: Great. Yes, you’re welcome to contact me. I’d love to hear from you. You can look at my website, which is theresponsivebody.com. It’s W-W-W dot the responsive, R-E-S-P-O-N-S-I-V-E, body, B-O-D-Y, dot com. So I’d love to hear from you there.
You’re also welcome to just shoot me an e-mail if you have any questions or want to know more about anything that I’ve shared, or experienced, which is really awesome working with George as a business coach. My e-mail is Padma, my name, first name, P-A-D-M-A, at theresponsivebody.com.
Padma: I’d love to hear from you.
George: Awesome. Well, Padma, you’ve been just a great person to converse with here. I mean I can’t believe this is, you said that this is like your first time or something doing an interview like this. You did such a great job. I just have to say. I hope you’ll do more.
Padma: Yes. It was really fun. Thank you so much for having me.
George: Yes. Absolutely. So to end the episode, I always want to remind you, I want to remind you of who you are. I try to do it in a little different way each time. So this time I will remind you to remember who you are in a much bigger way because you are actually indestructible. Your consciousness is going toward the direction of more wisdom and more love all the time.
Even though sometimes on a daily basis, it’s hard to see it. But in the grand scheme of looking back at your life, you will see, and you’re looking at the grand scheme of your, maybe, multiple lives and your consciousness, you will see the growth towards wisdom and love. You know that you are secure in that direction because you are being taken care of. So until the next episode, I wish you well. As Padma mentioned, “Remember to keep breathing and feeling your body, so that you can be grounded and do things in a present and grounded way.” So thanks everyone.
Padma: Thank you so much.
George: Blessed be your day. Be well.
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